The Holocaust: an alternative view…
February 3, 2009 in Politics, Uncategorized, sspx by editor | 81 comments
“In light of Israel’s latest indiscriminate slaughter of the people of Gaza, a Holocaust which remains, as yet, un-condemned by the nations of the West, it seems appropriate to revisit the over-reaction to Bishop Richard Williamson’s recent denial of the Nazi’s use of gas chambers during WWII.”
Click on the link below to read the entire article, penned by our very own Blogger-in-Chief, Athanasius.
Now click on ‘comments’ to tell us if you agree with his alternative view or not. Or maybe you don’t think we ought to be allowed to float alternative ideas. Does freedom of speech have limits? If so, who decides the limits? Get blogging now, to tell us what you think.
Tags: bishop williamson, holocaust, sspx
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Benedict on February 3, 2009 at 9:53 am
May I be the first to congratulate Athanasius on a very balanced and informative article.
I am in complete agreement that the Zionists “big” themselves up and perpetuate the illusion that they are the poor, downtrodden, oppressed people. Every day we can see who the actual aggressors are. They have used that card once too often in my mind to “justify” their actions whether against the indigenous population or Christians.
Yes, let us not forget our own faith which is being systematically marginalised and disadvantaged to such an extent that the Christian population has been almost entirely decimated. Why do we never hear of this in any meaningful way without it being slanted in favour of the need to “work with our Zionist brethren”? Where is all the sustained media coverage about that? Where are the church leaders in denouncing this?
Remember they, the Zionists, were regarded as terrorists in the land of Palestine. They formed their country on the backs of British soldiers and innocent civilians killed as a result of their terrorist activities.
Well done Athanasius.
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editor on February 3, 2009 at 10:28 am
N O T I C E . . .
Please see update on the ‘Catholic Press attacks SSPX thread”
http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=675#comment-7022
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editor on February 3, 2009 at 1:48 pm
N O T I C E . . .
Please see a further update on the ‘Catholic Press…” thread.
http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=675#comment-7024
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Tomas de Torkay on February 3, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Athanasius
I second Benedict’s motion! How did you come across that “Jews Against Zionism” website?
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Athanasius on February 3, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Thanks Benedict & Torkay.
Torkay, I came across the “Jews Against Zionism” website just by doing a Google search under Zionism. Until then, I was not aware of just how strong the feeling is amongst Orthodox Jews against this entity. Very informative.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 3, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Editor
To answer your question, there are a number of very clever and dishonest devices which are now used to limit or outlaw free speech. Their cleverness lies in their design, which is to create the appearance of a legalized expression of compassion, rather than the direct attack against and suppression of free speech which they really are.
These devices all hinge on the treatment of “oppressed minorities,” such as Jews, blacks and gays (an attempt is being made in America to add Muslims to this list). Thus, it is illegal to question the official version of the Holocaust, on the grounds that this is not compassionate to the Jews. And, it is fast becoming illegal to accurately describe homosexuality as a disorder and a sin, as to do so is a “hate crime” (i.e. not compassionate but hateful). You will notice that all the attacks against Bishop Williamson and the Holy Father are based on a presumed a lack of compassion against the Jews.
I think the latter is a means with which to paint the Church into a legal corner, and the former is a means to increase the powers of the police state.
Of course, we know that it is a cynical joke for the corrupt to claim compassion for themselves, when all they are doing is the Devil’s work. All the weight , glamor and prestige of the propaganda barrage fails to conceal that one simple fact.
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editor on February 3, 2009 at 4:28 pm
N O T I C E . . .
Visit the Bp Williamson thread to read the latest, savage, all out assault on the Pope – from a priest…
http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=646#comment-7030
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Tomas de Torkay on February 3, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Editor, in response to your latest post on the Bp Williamson thread, I posted another article about Father Reese. I did notice one thing about the Reuters article, though: it confirmed what Heather Priest said about the Pope some time ago here, namely, that he surrounds himself with lesser intellects.
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editor on February 3, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Torkay, interesting that. So, the Pope surrounds himself with lesser intellects as well? I’m not alone? Consoling…
N O T I C E . . .
Visit the Rejoice! thread for a very useful list of the doctrinal issues to be discussed in the forthcoming talks between the SSPX and Vatican.
http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=650#comment-7035comment-7035comment-7035
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Heather Priest on February 3, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Now you won’t read articles like that one in the ‘Scottish Catholic Observer’! My heartfelt congratulations both to Athanasius and the Editor for a very balanced presentation of the issue. This article confirms Catholic Truth as the prophetic element in the Church in Scotland today.
I have long thought that the Catholic Church could do with an ADL–Anti Defamation League. But is it not strange that the only group in these strange times not be accorded victimhood status is the Roman Catholic Church? Why? Because Satan–that murderer and father lies–who uses the mass media as his instrument hates the One True Church above all else.
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editor on February 3, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Thank you for your very kind remarks, Heather Priest. We appreciate your encouragement. And I agree that we’d never read an article of such quality in the Scottish Catholic Observer, or the Tablet for that matter.
Athanasius wrote the article himself (in a spare ten minutes!), which, I agree, is top notch. Puts the current Holocaust controversy in a fresh light.
So, thanks Athanasius for giving Catholic Truth first refusal, and thanks Heather Priest.
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Athanasius on February 3, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Thank you both, Heather Priest and editor, for your kind appraisal of my article. I felt it was high time something was said about these constant attacks against the Church by the world’s media, and, sorry to say, the so-called Catholic media. But written “in a spare ten minutes” editor? Try hours, mi dear.
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editor on February 3, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Here is the latest enraged comments from a German bishop livid about the SSPX excommunications being lifted and, predictably, using the “Holocaust denier” Bishop Williamson as his excuse to attack the Pope under cover of pitying him for being fooled by the SSPX. It seems very clear now, that the one unforgiveable sin/crime is to question the Holocaust. I wish I had this guy’s email address. No, Benedict, no apology for not using his title and name – this rage doesn’t come from on high.
Read this crazy stuff.
http://cathcon.blogspot.com/2009/02/regensburg-bishop-all-four-sspx-bishops.html
Maybe someone could send him the link to Athanasius’s article? Then duck!
Where was all this protest when Bishop Conry’s interview was published in the anything-but-Catholic Herald?
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the convert on February 3, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Mistress Editor,
You could attempt to reach the said bishop Gerhard Ludwig Mueller (or Müller) via this e-mail address:
E-Mail: archiv@bistum-regensburg.de
Best of luck.
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editor on February 3, 2009 at 11:53 pm
WOW the convert! WOW
Roll on tomorrow when I’ll be (hopefully) fresh-eyed and bushy tailed. How many hours behind us is Germany cos I’d love this guy to wake up to see me over his breakfast. WOW!
What I mean, of course, is that I would love him to be reading my email over his breakfast. I do hope I can suitably ruin his day. Just the thought of it makes me happy! Well, I’ve always admitted to being a very bad girl, Benedict. I’m not saying good things then saying bad things. I just stick to the bad things and nobody can get me on duplicity. WOW!
Torkay, what would we do if you Americans hadn’t given us the
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Tomas de Torkay on February 4, 2009 at 12:05 am
Editor
Truth be told (not to rain on your parade), “WOW” is already outdated by a few decades, i.e. the 60s. I’m no linguist, but I believe it was replaced by “cool!” and then “far out!” and “groovy!” and more currently, “Dude!” But as the old joke goes, if you remember the 60s, then you probably weren’t there.
This horrifying episode is serving another purpose for us traditionalists: it is weeding out the clerical wheat from the clerical chaff very clearly. That is, now we know even better who are the internal enemies of the Church and who are the faithful. And I think we know where to place this Regensburg bishop.
And, hmmmm….Regensburg……rings another bell, doesn’t it, Editor?
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Tomas de Torkay on February 4, 2009 at 12:08 am
And Editor, while you’re sending the enraged German bishop your pleasant little breakfast greetings, perhaps you should also send him a hanky to clean up all that frothing at the mouth.
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the convert on February 4, 2009 at 9:37 am
Mistress Editor,
With German time being one hour ahead of GMT, meaning that 10am here shows as 11am over there, the good bishop is probably now in the middle of reciting his Rosary. Cool !
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 10:14 am
Yes, Regensburg does ring another bell, Torkay and I’m guessing the Pope shuddered when he heard that it was the source of another all out assault on him.
Thanks for the linguistic update, Torkay. Cool!
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 10:18 am
I’m just reviewing the comments on this thread and notice that, although there is plenty of praise for Athanasius’s excellent article, there’s not a lot of detailed comment on it.
I’m not sure why that is. I don’t really want to set up a test to see if you’ve all really understood the article and visited the Jews Against Zionism website but when I return from the post office, whence I am about to go to post various bits and pieces (including Windswept House, semperfidelis, so stand by) I shall have come up with a cunning plan to check whether or not you’ve all understood the topic in hand.
So, blogging community, you cool, groovy, dudes, be warned!
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Tomas de Torkay on February 4, 2009 at 10:43 am
Editor
I suggest an incentive program to stimulate comments, such as a T-shirt which reads,
“I visited jewsagainstzionism.com and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.”
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crouchback on February 4, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I don’t know about Jew against Zionism. But I do know a wee bit about Zionists against Jews.
When I was in Israel in 1997 on pilgrimage, we had a “Jewish” guide. He was not very religious, he was very well up on all things historical, biblical etc,etc. as befits a tour guide.
What he did not like was the “religious” Jews, Our guide was middle aged, bald, but with a hip little pony tail, which I think always looks sleazy, older man trying to hold on to fading youth.
Whenever he spied the Orthodox types he would say that Israel was on the wrong track. These guys, all they have to do, he would opine, is call themselves Rabbi and the Government gives them money to open “schools” and spread their brand of religion. Lazy so and so’s, never do any work, lounge around all day, waiting to cause trouble.
Our guide did seem to get on well at all the shops we stopped at. These places were full of religious objects d’art, like religious supermarkets, and all were run by Palestinians as far as I could tell. He got on well with the shop keepers, maybe there was a backhander for stopping the bus at these places. Maybe not.
There are very large divides in Judaism, the Chief Rabbi, would not go to the funeral of Rabbi Hugo Gryn, several years ago. Rabbi Gryn, a survivor of the Holocaust, was a reformed, liberal..?? Jew, I seem to recall some quite strong language used by the Chief Rabbi as to why he couldn’t go to the funeral. -
the convert on February 4, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Not everybody is attacking Pope Benedict XVI for including Bishop Williamson in the lifting of the excommunications. There are churchman ready to support the Pope, as this link shows:
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the convert on February 4, 2009 at 2:47 pm
And whilst on the subject, here is a quotation from (still) a Vatican spokesman:
But Vatican spokesman, Reverend Federico Lombardi, told AP that the Pope’s “absolutely indefensible” decision to reinstate Williamson did not reflect the Vatican’s views: “They are his personal ideas … that we certainly don’t share”
So – how can he claim to be a Vatican spokesman if he is not reflecting the views of Pope Benedict XVI? He ought to do the honourable thing and resign, before he gets the sack for dissent.
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Benedict on February 4, 2009 at 4:22 pm
the convert,
I hesitate to state you are misleading us, but an article released yesterday and posted by Catholic News Service shows Father Lombardi’s full support and him remaining true:
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0900516.htm
In addition from AP the actual words were:
“The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Williamson’s views were “absolutely indefensible.”"
Quite different from your paste.
and in the next paragraph:
“They are his personal ideas … that we certainly don’t share but they have nothing to do with the issue of the excommunication and the removal of the excommunication,” Lombardi told AP Television News.2
Both quite clearly are in reference to +Williamson and not His Holiness. Please be careful in choosing what to join together as it may be entirely misleading.
Link to full article here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/ap_on_re_eu/eu_vatican_conservatives -
Benedict on February 4, 2009 at 4:29 pm
the convert,
In addition to my post above your posts should be on +Williamson thread. This is not the thread for such stories.
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 6:01 pm
the convert did email me to delete his post but I have been so busy reposting the homepage following receipt of important news from the Vatican, thanks to Benedict who emailed me the link, that I am only now getting round to it.
However, it seems to me that this thread is a kind of continuation of the Bp Williamson thread so unless anyone resoundly objects, I move to allow these comments to remain. In fact, comments on the latest news from the Vatican currently being posted on our homepage, is also appropriate for this thread since they all tie in with the Holocaust issue.
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Well the nasties are obviously celebrating the latest news about the Vatican backtrack. I’ve already has one of the”useful idiots of Vatican II” (as Ferrara describes these modern Catholics who wouldn’t know a critical faculty if it came up and smacked them on the mouth) email me the information twice since I posted it on our homepage. Shows you the level of frenzied excitement.
How he / they hate the Faith. How sad…
Suggestions reaching me for more militant action are imaginative and varied. My favourite so far is to set off in droves for Vatican city with banners waving… Second favourite is to wait and see who get appointed Archbishop of Glasgow when Archbishop Conti retires and, if we get another liberal, lie down across the entrance…
My problem would be getting back up again…
Any original ideas, Benedict? the convert? semperfidelis? Athanasius? Heather Priest etc etc…
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Benedict, in his Holocaust article, Athanasius quotes Fr Lombardi describing Bishop Williamson’s opinions as “a morally grave matter”.
Now, that is one thing they most definitely are NOT! A bishop, like Bp Conry, denying the importance of regular confession, THAT is a morally grave matter and might cost someone their salvation.
We’ve plenty of nutty bishops in the “mainstream” (structures of) Church without worrying about Bishop Williamson.
Fr Lombardi’s ignorance of moral theology is far more serious than any far-fetched theory Bp Williamson might have about the Holocaust or any other political or historical event. Far, far more serious.
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the convert on February 4, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Benedict,
I am glad that you hesitate to state that I have mislead fellow bloggers . . . . because I have not.
If you access the hyperlink in my posting above of 2:39pm 4th February you will be able to read for yourself what bild.com reported, and at the foot of the article you will find the very quotation that I accurately cut and pasted into my subsequent posting of 2:47pm.
Not having had the luxury of being present, I am unable to say whether Rev’d Lombardi’s words were as quoted by one reporter or another – but what I posted is a correct reproduction of what was reported by bild.com.
I do not mislead my fellow bloggers.
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Athanasius on February 4, 2009 at 7:31 pm
editor
Yes, I have an idea. These raging enemies of Tradition have underestimated one very senior person in this lifting of the excommunications. None other than the Most Blessed Virgin. She has obtained this grace for the Church through those 1.7 million rosaries.
Has the devil yet won a battle with Her? Keep praying our rosaries for the Holy Father and the SSPX. There is much yet to be discussed and resolved, but Our Lady will have the victory.
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Athanasius on February 4, 2009 at 7:33 pm
the convert
I can vouch for what you say as I also read that section. It mislead both of us.
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Athanasius on February 4, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Benedict
If you read the ‘Bild’ version the convert quoted I think you’ll see for yourself how someone attempted to impress upon the masses (no pun intended) the idea that Pope Benedict is isolated in the Vatican over his decision to lift the excommunications. I do not accept that this misquote was accidental.
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the convert on February 4, 2009 at 7:48 pm
This is what the AP report said (just to save bloggers visiting and reading the hyperlink quoted by Benedict:
The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Williamson’s views were “absolutely indefensible.” But he denied that rehabilitating Williamson implied that the Vatican shared them.
“They are his personal ideas … that we certainly don’t share but they have nothing to do with the issue of the excommunication and the removal of the excommunication,” Lombardi told AP Television News.
This sounds more like the truth to me, and I withdraw my criticism of Fr. Lombardini’s loyalty. I thank Benedict for exposing the lie in bild.com – but I still maintain that I did not do any “joining together” and I still maintain that I had no intention to mislead.
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the convert on February 4, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Mistress Editor,
You asked earlier for ideas about dealing with the ”useful idiots of Vatican II” – well, if they were all laid head to toe across the English Channel, it would be a very good thing.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 4, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Editor
Regarding your call to militant action, I’m having a little trouble envisioning you as the Scottish counterpart of the Berrigan brothers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Berrigan
My suggestion would be to rent a helicopter and drop large quantities of leaftlets (i.e. printed copies of Athanasius’ article on Zionism) over any diocese whose Ordinary does not support the Holy Father.
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Athanasius, when I asked for ideas, I should have said – as wearily as I feel it – that I take it utterly for granted that we will all pray our socks off and rosaries will be prayed every day. That, I take for granted.
But you wouldn’t believe the number of people I meet who pray the rosary every day (I know that they do because they make sure they tell me at every opportunity) but would not dream of writing a letter or lying down across the entrance to a cathedral to block a bad bishop. You wouldn’t BELIEVE it!
No, we take the prayer for granted ALWAYS when we are talking about how to move forward. We begin every Catholic Truth meeting with a prayer but we don’t then set off for home. We then seek to do the NEXT part of our duty, which is to use our brains to decide what actions we can take to spread the Truth.
So, apart from praying, an essential duty, what else can we (possibly) do – or do we bow before the enemy who are, however wrong they be (and they are) much more zealous in promoting their cause than traditional Catholics appear to be in promoting the Truth.
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crouchback on February 4, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Athy, the late Archbishop Marcinkus allegedly said that you can’t run the church on Hail Marys. When the smoke settles I think we will see, that there was a deal “done” sometime ago. Bishop Fellay had this deal before he launched the Rosary Crusade.
The Rosaries are a very good thing, I’m not complaining, but there was a lot more “politics” than “praying” in this set up.
During the last unpleasantness as Terry Wogan calls WWII, the rosary was recited by many, many more catholics than ever say it now. Protestants used to beg my grandmother….”Say a holy Mary for us”……in the bomb shelter, during the Clydebank raids. My Granny’s cousin was killed in one raid.
Even before the first unpleasantness 1914-18, there would have been millions upon millions of rosaries said…..yet unpleasantness swept the world.
Before that the Irish famine…..the Black Death…..the Roman persecutions…People have prayed for ever yet unpleasantness is never far away. I’m not decrying prayer, just that the manoeuvrings of power full men will dictate what “gives” as they say. Prayer is what we mortals do to help us put up with their decisions. Or help them make the right ones -
Michelangelo on February 4, 2009 at 8:52 pm
In the face of the onslaught against the Pope… I suggest we write to him to offer support – it would at least help him see through all the current negativity – if he gets our correspondence…
I found this email adrdress to which I have dispatched a message of support – here’s hoping it’s correct – benedictxvi@vatican.va
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Athanasius on February 4, 2009 at 9:02 pm
crouchback
Archbishop Marcinkus was up to his eyes in the corruption known as the Vatican Bank scandal “Banco Ambossiano,” from which, either directly or indirectly, resulted the death of Roberto Calvi. Archbishop Marcinkus was said to be a Freemason. Calvi’s death is still contested as a Masonic ritual killing. Whatever the truth of the matter, the last person I would take advice from on the rosary in Archbishop Marcinkus.
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 9:10 pm
crouchback, you wrote:
” the late Archbishop Marcinkus allegedly said that you can’t run the church on Hail Marys..”
What a disgraceful thing to say. Our Lady asked us for the rosary at Fatima and, I have to confess, she said nothing about lying across the entrance to a cathedral, so please let’s not muddy the waters.
As Athy says, Marcinkus is the very LAST person to give advice on the rosary. I wouldn’t take advice from on anything – whether it be how to pray or where to park my car.
We must, as I said above, do both. Simple. If only we could think of what to DO!
Michaelangelo, that is the correct email address and it is a great idea to email our support for the Pope. Thanks for posting it.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 4, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Editor et al
That is the correct email for Pope Benedict, but it has not been functioning for about the past 2 months. Every issue of my newsletters has been returned with messages such as “mailbox full” or “mailbox temporarily disabled.”
Crouchy
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your last post sounds as though you have ceded the world to the corrupt.
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crouchback on February 4, 2009 at 9:25 pm
I know who Marcinkus was. And Fatima came after millions had already died in WWI, Father Willie Doyle SJ was killed on August 17th 1917, right in the middle of the apparitions,
I’m not saying Fatima is wrong or anything, but we must not put it about that when we pray, we “get” answers, because sometimes the “answers” are not exactly what any reasonable person would wish to hear.
After all look at poor Evelyn Waugh, convert, literary star, then along comes Vatican II, and all his devout masses offered up for nothing, seemingly. Some say he died of a broken heart at the state he could see the church plunge to, and that was only 1966…!!! -
crouchback on February 4, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Not so Torkay. Just that we must remember that not all ways of prayer are the same for everyone. When we say the rosary, we must not make it a “bargain” type arrangement. I know that no body here would do that. But we must think of others who might be reading this, who may not be used to “our ways”. There are other ways to “petition God”. I’ll get several rockets for this. Oh dear.
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crouchback on February 4, 2009 at 9:34 pm
The heroic Fr Willie Doyle, for anyone who may not have heard of him.
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crouchback on February 4, 2009 at 9:38 pm
In fact, now that I think about it, can anybody separate the WWI holocaust from the WWII holocaust…..one led to the other…….and we are still living with the consequences today. Modernism took giant strides back then.
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Athanasius on February 4, 2009 at 10:33 pm
crouchback
I know what you’re trying to say, but you’re wrong. We have to be apostles of the rosary, not apologise for it. Next to the holy Mass there is no more powerful prayer. Just look at what has been achieved in two years thanks to the SSPX rosary crusade.
If anyone thinks that they can achieve better with other devotions, then let them try. Me? I stick by the power of the Mother of God through Her rosary every time. Fatima, by the way, is not optional, crouchback. Our Lady specifically asked for the rosary to save sinners, not whatever devotion one happened to favour.
I hasten to add that all approved Catholic devotions are pleasing to God, but none more so than the rosary. It’s the singularly most powerful Marian devotion.
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editor on February 4, 2009 at 10:53 pm
I meant to post my letter to the German bishop who wants the SSPX bishops to resign etc. Here it is below. As you will realise, I wrote it in one of my kinder moments…
Bishop Gerhard Ludwig Mueller
Your remarks attacking Pope Benedict following the lifting of the SSPX excommunications are totally disgraceful. You seem to believe that matters of a political and historical nature are beyond comment or question, are written in tablets of stone as if divinely revealed dogma. Not so.
There are plenty of people who query various matters of historical record and although it was wrong of Bishop Williamson to allow himself to be entrapped into discussion of his personal views on the Holocaust, he is perfectly entitled to hold whatever views he likes.
You, Bishop Mueller and your ilk need to visit our blog and read the article entitled The Holocaust – an alternative view to educate yourself on the subject. http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=709#comments
You sound very angry, Bishop, about the “reinstatement” of the SSPX bishops, using – I believe – the Bishop Williamson interview as a cover for your fury that these traditional Catholic bishops have had their unjust excommunications lifted, and not before time. I don’t recall hearing your name mentioned when our Scots bishops dissented from Catholic sexual morality or when the English Bishop Conry recently attacked Humanae Vitae and said that he didn’t believe in regular confession. No, I don’t believe I heard that you were enraged about any of these shocking scandals, revealing the fact that we have bishops galore who have lost the Faith.
Listen, Bishop Mueller. You ‘liberals’ have exercised undue influence in the Church for far too long now. You’ve had your day. It’s over. We’re taking the Church back, now. Get used to it. Oh, and, by the way, if there’s one thing I am sick and tired of hearing about it’s the Holocaust. Terrible as that event was, I’d like to hear a bit more about some of the many other genocides in history or the Irish famine, just for a wee change. Get my drift?
Patricia
Editor
Catholic Truth
http://www.catholictruthscotland.com -
crouchback on February 4, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Well said Ed. I like nothing better than the sound of rolling pin crump the mitre on an Episcopal bonce.
Athy note that Ed talks about dogmas set in stone. The Creeds are written in stone, as are other dogmas. In order to “get” to people who have taken the “Modernist Oath” we need to spoon out plenty of honey, I don’t believe we have to apologize for the Rosary or Fatima, or any other Aid to Faith, Lourdes, or St Catherine Emmerich or anything else, but these things come and go, meanwhile the sun rises in the morning. Another horror somewhere, or another day of luxury in the west..?? Yet for all the “promises” we still live in a crazy disordered world. It would be bizarre, I think, if the rosary said by a comparative few got us a religious rite more akin to what we think is correct. Meanwhile there are horrors everywhere..?? Even here in our caring, sharing, NHS. -
Athanasius on February 5, 2009 at 12:22 am
editor
Great letter. Truthful and straight to the real source of this controversy.
There are two aspects to this present controversy, neither of them just or pleasing to God.
The first is the Jewish backlash which has been directed through the media against Bishop Williamson and by default the SSPX and the Catholic Church.
The other is the Catholic Hierarchy’s opportunism on the back of this controversy to attack the Pope’s holy intentions towards the SSPX and sacred Tradition. These are liberal Bishops who have overseen the destruction of the Catholic Faith and who are raging at these Papal moves for a restoration of sacred Tradition in the Church. The Jews are not using these men as “lackies.” Rather, it is they who use the Jews for their own purpose, feigning outrage over Bishop Williamson’s remarks in order to undermine the Pope’s holy intentions.
They wish to sabotage the Pope’s programme for restoring Catholicism to the Church, nothing more or less.
As regards the Jewish backlash in the press, I am deeply suspicious about the control they have over the global press and how they have used this again to assault our holy religion.
Whatever sympathies I have for the Jews, and they are a race I have sympathised with regarding the Holocaust, is rapidly diminishing in me as I watch them in action against the Church.
It is not their place to interfere in internal matters of the Catholic Church, nor to attempt to influence the authorities of the Church by media pressure. Let them deal with their own internal problems and allow the Catholic Church to deal with hers.
The Catholic Church exercises her justice in the charity of Christ, not in the retribution of the Old Law, e.g., “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” Catholic/Jewish relations may find this the hardest of all obstacles to overcome.
We Catholics do not call for maximum humiliation of our enemies, but their repentance and salvation. The Church will deal with Bishop Williamson appropriately without being told by the Jews how to proceed.
Perhaps the Jews, in the meantime, will consider dealing with all those of its own race who vilify the holy Pope and great friend of the Jewish people, Pius XII. It will perhaps have them repent of their denial of the historical facts in Pius’ case if only to show balance in their calls for justice against all liars and revisionists.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of having my intelligence insulted by the agitators on both sides of this controversy, who, with a pretence of outrage, seek only to further their own personal agendas. A five-year-old could work out what they are up to.
So enough is enough. Bishop Williamson’s opinions about the Holocaust, wrong as they are, are his personal opinions. It is for his spiritual superiors alone to convert him to the truth of the matter in charity and patience, just as they seek to do with those who are not of the True Faith.
It is certainly not for the Jews to tell him what he will believe, or else.
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Athanasius on February 5, 2009 at 12:30 am
crouchback
The greatest horror of all was the crucifixion of Our Lord, yet look what it gained for humanity. We do not question the ways of divine providence. We have Job as the example of how meritorious these various sufferings you mention can be when accepted with resignation to the divine will and in reparation for sin.
Neither the Mass nor the rosary, nor any other devotion will ever turn this world into a paradise. It is a vale of tears. Paradise is for those who keep the faith and die in God’s grace.
So, let’s agree then that your view is the natural view and mine is the supernatural. I know the rosary will not get rid of all the sufferings in the world, but it will resolve a good many of them if people have faith.
Sr. Lucy of Fatima said that there is no trouble, spiritual or temporal, that cannot be overcome by the power of the holy rosary. You will, therefore, pardon me if I take her advice as opposed to your own.
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Benedict on February 5, 2009 at 1:14 am
The backlash had to come from Germany. It has all been very well planned and executed.
Look at it this way. A foolish man caught in a honey trap last November and the info, the catalyst, safely stowed away until the chosen day.
A mole (willing or blackmailed) within the inner workings of the Vatican who knew exactly what was planned by the Pope and was able to brief his paymasters accordingly.
Trap set, then sprung when the announcement was made.
German Pope, ex Hitler youth, extermination of Jews, liberal German hierarchy, German nation which goes loopy at the sound of a Shoa denial story, a German Rabbi who has deep political leverage and media skills (also a convicted criminal – google him and all will be revealed).
Classic case to focus any backlash, so many juicy ingredients the press can pick and choose from, built on by more snippets carefully released An effective orchestrated backlash around the world would be a logistical nightmare for them, so go for a gifted Achille’s heel; much more effective and managed.
Hold out your Holiness, another couple of weeks and the media will have moved on and the church can get on with its re-unification, re-evangelisation and true reform. Hold hard to the tiller and stear the barque straight and steadily through this storm; we are will you all the way.
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Benedict on February 5, 2009 at 1:20 am
the convert,
Apologies for a late response. Yes I realise now that it was an honest mistake. Please forgive me for the rather terse response.
As it was from the Bild (yet another German connection – see my post above) it was very provocatively worded to cause the greatest negative effect.
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Athanasius on February 5, 2009 at 1:40 am
Benedict
Good comments. Very worthy of consideration. There is, however, more than one paid mole in the Vatican, no doubt about that.
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editor on February 5, 2009 at 11:12 am
Please, one and all, check your emails and sign up to The Remant’s urgent declaration of support for the Pope.
If you haven’t received an email from me this morning forwarding the email from The Remnant, this is what I wrote – with the original Remnant email below…
Dear Readers,
I have just received the urgent request below from editor of American Catholic traditionalist newspaper, The Remnant which I urge you all to read and sign up to support for the Pope. This is precisely what Our Lady warned of at Fatima – that the Pope would have much to suffer as a result of this diabolical disorientation in the Church. Email Admin@RemnantNewspaper.com to give the requested details or just forward this email with your name etc. Note: if anyone wishes to sign their name + Catholic Truth you are perfectly free to do so.EMAIL FROM THE REMNANT
Dear Friends:
My name is Michael Matt and I’m the editor of the Catholic newspaper, The Remnant. I’m writing to you today with a request for assistance. As you know, our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, is at this moment under intense scrutiny and outright media assault for his recent decision to heal a division in the Church by lifting the excommunications of the four bishops of the Society of St. Pius X.
The mainstream media, liberal Jewish and Catholic spokesmen, and even some prominent authorities inside the Catholic Church are voicing public (and thus shameful) protest against the person of the Holy Father for his pastoral decision—a decision that obviously has everything to do with his larger papal initiative to resist the dictatorship of relativism that plagues our society. At least two members of the hierarchy have even gone so far as to call for the Holy Father’s resignation, and today the VP for the Central Council for German Jews referred to our Holy Father as an ‘untrustworthy liar and a hypocrite’.
How can we witness such outrage and remain silent!
We have today put together an e-list of persons of some influence, Catholic and non-Catholic, who we feel confident are as concerned by this attack on the Holy Father as we are here at The Remnant. I’m asking you to sign on with us in raising an immediate and public defense against this gross injustice. If you know of priests or other persons who would be willing to sign this International Declaration, please encourage them to do so. For the first few days, we’ll be adding the signatures of persons of influence only—that is, priests, sisters, teachers, publishers, editors, writers, lawyers, doctors, professors, etc,. In a few days, we will open the Declaration to all comers, and hopefully be in a position in a week or so to present the Holy Father with ample assurances that he will not be abandoned to the wolves in this critical moment of his papacy, but rather the sheep will rally around him.
Please, if you will, send by replay email your name, title (if there is one), academic credentials (if appropriate), and occupation or apostolic association. I would beg you to do so as quickly as possible since, honestly, I don’t believe there’s a moment to lose. The Holy Father needs his loyal subjects to stand in his defense and that of the Holy, Catholic Church. Please open the attached file of the Second International Declaration of Support for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, and see if you can’t see your way clear to lending your support to it. I dearly hope and pray you can.
We hope to post this Declaration online on the afternoon of February 5. Thank you for your kind consideration, and God save the Pope!
In Christo Rege,
Michael J. Matt
Editor, The RemnantThis is the kind of action we need – a public show of support for the Pope against these wolves who are attacking him.
Thanks.
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crouchback on February 5, 2009 at 12:05 pm
There is a very good article on Rorate Caeli……on the “Essentials” by a priest from Ontario, Canada. There is nothing left to say from the “Modernists” this Priest gives it to them straight.
All that “may” be required is a stroke of a pen from the Pope, “just to make it official like”……but as far as the “Modernists” are concerned it is game, set , and match to the SSPX.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 5, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Please pardon the multiple addressee’s in this message, but here goes:
Editor: outstanding letter to the Regensburg bishop, though uncharacteristically restrained…..
Athanasius: I wholeheartedly agree with your post of 2/5 12:22.
Benedict: Same with your +Williamson post of 1:14, but WHAT HO! Are you perhaps suggesting that there was……A CONSPIRACY?……..
Crouchy: Here’s the thing about the Rosary, not to mention all of our prayers: we cannot see with the eyes of Heaven. Therefore, who is to say how much suffering was averted by our prayers? Prayer is not an exercise in empiricism – it is an act of faith.
And finally, Athanasius, back to your article, the subject of this thread. I’m wondering why the Zionists have fixated on returning Jews to Palestine. I keep thinking back to the secret societies’ plan to achieve world government by fomenting 3 world wars (as outlined in the correspondence of Albert Pike, Benedict). Returning the Jews to Palestine is the equivalent of lighting a match in a warehouse full of leaking natural gas, so I suspect this was an act of “prepositioning” in preparation for designed conflict.
But here’s my question: have you found any connection between the secret societies and Theodor Herzl?
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Tomas de Torkay on February 5, 2009 at 2:12 pm
In response to this media-orchestrated hysteria over “Holocaust denial,” I would like to point out that the Zionists have now fully demonstrated that they are no more civilized than the Muslims, since their hair-trigger “outrage” is exactly the same as the Muslim reaction to a perceived slight to their “Prophet,” Mohammad.
In fact, it appears that the Holocaust IS the Zionist’s Mohammad.
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crouchback on February 5, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Crouchback goes over the Top…….see Damian Thompson’s latest blog at Daily Telegraph Blogs.
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crouchback on February 5, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I’m off to a funeral, in Glasgow. Letitia will be in charge of this computer. If I get any incoming flak, you will have her to deal with. You have been warned. If you think the rolling pin is bad…..wait until you’ve had a 12″ Bahco spanner round your ears……..for Bahco spanner Torkay, I guess you guys would call it a monkey wrench. It Hurts, believe me.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 5, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Croucho
Is that funeral, by any chance, the death of the Spirit of Vatican II?
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Athanasius on February 5, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Torkay
Hertz is mentioned in Maurice Pinay’s “The Plot Against The Church,” available from either Carmel of Plymouth or Christian Book Club of America.
Although he is mentioned in the book, I can’t say exactly in what sense although the book was prepared and written by a group within the Roman Curia at the time of Vatican II.
This is a shocking book jam packed with undeniable evidence, unquestionable sources and information that only the highest authorities of the Church would have had access to from the Vatican archives. It’s explosive and it confirms a plot against the Catholic Church by an element within world Jewry through Freemasonry and Communism.
Every Catholic should have a copy of this book. Even though it was written for the Fathers of the Council alone, it behoves us today to realise what happened during that Council. We will see that there was, and remains, a clerical “Fifth Column,” of enemies of the Faith in the pay of the aforementioned.
This may explain why the German bishops, in particular are so furious with the Pope. One of them is so secularised that he wears collar and tie and they all speak out against the SSPX as if they were Jews themselves.
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leprechaun on February 5, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Athanasius,
That is a powerful recommendation. The book you mention has been put on line and here is a link to it:
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/
I am going to bookmark it and read it.
Thank you for the mention.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 5, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Athanasius
I’m not sure yet, but I think there might be some mistakes in this book. The Freemasons themselves, for example, proudly announce that they are the re-birth or re-appearance of the Knights Templar, sworn to enmity against the Church because of the events of 1307-1314 in France. That is, their foundation is not Jewish, but Catholic!
However, it could be that their re-appearance was supplemented by Jewish “mysticism” (Kaballah) or that the original Knights themselves became steeped in same through their campaigns in the Holy Land.
Also, note this contradiction:
“The Blue International or international Freemasonry. This unites all Freemasons in the world through the ‘United Lodge of Great Britain’, through the ‘Grand Lodge of France’ and through the Grand Orients of France, Belgium, Italy, Turkey and the remaining lands.” (from Pt. 2 Ch. 3)
vs.
“The First Highest Masonic Council was, as we have already said, formed on 31st May 1801 in Charleston, 33 degrees northern latitude, under the chairmanship of the Jew Isaac Long, who was made inspector general by the Jew Moses Cohen, and who had received his degree from Hyes, from Franken, and the Jew Morin.”
“The Jews were thus the founders of the First Great Council, which was to transform itself into the middlepoint of world Freemasonry. (Pt. 2 Ch. 2)
Not to mention the fact that the year 1801 is much too late for the formation of a “First Highest Masonic Council,” since it was the Masonic Councils of Europe who planned the French Revolution. This passage does, however, confirm the importance of Charleston, South Carolina, which plays a major role in the events of 6/29/63, as recorded in “Windswept House.”
At any rate, I’ll keep reading, this is fascinating stuff.
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Athanasius on February 5, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Torkay
I’ll read the book later, but I think these are just different terms employed for different manifestations of Freemasonry at different periods in history and in different countries and continents.
By the way, Freemasonry is absolutely Jewish in its foundation. All signs and symbols used in its rites are Jewish and its founders are Jewish. If they claim to be a rebirth of the Knights Templar then its probably true that the Knights Templar Order was infiltrated by an element of Jewry. I wouldn’t read too much into this.
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editor on February 6, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Read the Remnant declaration with signatures, online now.
http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2009-second_international_declaration_pope_benedict.htm
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editor on February 8, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Read this very nasty article by Melanie Philips
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=643
Below is my reply, sent today. I hope some bloggers, with a sense of the keen injustice being inflicted on the Church over this matter, which is, at best of secondary (if any) importance, will also email Melanie to voice your objections to the disgraceful content of this article. As you will see, I’ve given her a couple of links but didn’t think of including the link to this thread. Maybe one of you would be good enough to do so. She ought to read Athanasius’s piece on the Holocaust…
I wrote…
Dear Melanie,
I have written to you a couple of times at least to praise your articles. Not so this time. I am absolutely appalled at your commentary on the Bishop Williamson affair, which read, frankly, as a thinly disguised anti-Catholic rant.
Like everyone else, I am more than annoyed at Bishop Williamson for his comments about the Holocaust. However, he was expressing a personal view on a matter of historical record and that is quite different from dissenting from Catholic dogma. We are supposed to live in a free society (and here I’m speaking tongue in cheek because certain groups are permitted freedom of speech, Jews included, if I may say so but not those of us who are politically incorrect) so the furore over Bishop Williamson’s personal opinions would be a puzzle to me if I did not recognise that it camouflages a very real and deep hatred of the Catholic religion. This came across with sad clarity in your article.
As someone who has admired your writing and your comments on Question Time so much that I took out an email subscription to receive your articles electronically, I cannot tell you how disappointed I am to read this latest savage piece of anti-Catholic rhetoric masquerading as commentary on the personal opinion on a matter of history, of one bishop of the Church. The reaction across the world is out of all proportion to the opinion expressed, which is hardly original. See the views of some of your fellow Jews for an equally unpopular view of the Holocaust… http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/index.cfm
If Bishop Williamson had expressed an equally ridiculous view over the historicity of the Irish famine or any of the many other genocides in history, nobody would have batted an eyelid. But the Holocaust? This is the one event in history that cannot be studied objectively and about which no dissenting voice can be raised. What must you think of the Jews in the link above who do not share such an black & white view?
Allow me to be clear: I think that the Holocaust was a dreadful event. It was a scandal. Horrendous. But dreadful as the Holocaust undoubtedly was, it is also dreadful that the Jews have made such mincemeat out of Bishop Williamson for the crime of expressing an opinion contrary to the popular view especially when there are lies propagated right left and centre in Jewish circles about Pope Pius XII who did everything he could to protect the Jews during the Second World War. There is no-one screaming out about the sheer injustice of the way the historical facts are twisted and ignored there in favour of anti-Catholic, anti-papacy propaganda. Visit our blog thread on the topic of Pope Pius XII and the “unforgiving Jews” at http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=258 to discover the real facts – hard facts – about the way that saintly Pope Pius XII helped the Jews – and read statements from leading Jews published at the time in order to discover the truth of the matter. We’ve had enough of lies and propaganda about that saintly Pope but the world’s media have not devoted their printing presses to complaining about THAT outrage.
Finally, you are absolutely wrong to argue that papal infallibility has taken a lethal hit. With respect, that statement alone reveals your ignorance of Catholic teaching on the papacy. Catholics are permitted our own views on politics and history and indeed on everything that is not binding Catholic and moral doctrine and no priest, bishop or pope has the authority to tell me what to think or say on such matters. Papal authority is restricted to teaching the Catholic Faith and morals as it has been revealed by God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and handed on to us from the time of the Apostles, after the death of Christ at the hands of the Jews who rejected Him as their Messiah. It is worth noting, in passing that this fact (of the first century Jews’ obvious role in Christ’s death) is an example of an historical event that, when repeated, has been twisted to serve as “anti-semitism”. Well, allow me to disabuse you: I don’t have a bigoted bone in my body. I have no feelings of animosity at all towards the Jewish people or towards any individual Jew. Far from it. And I doubt if the original Gospel writers were anti-semitic either since they, too, were committed Jews.
The Holocaust was a shocking, dreadful event. But, frankly, I’m sick and tired of hearing about it. The unforgiving, almost obsessive preoccupation with it is not helping anybody and, as is always the case, an unforgiving, vengeful attitude is unattractive, to say the least.
I’m sorry if this seems harsh but, if you and I were friends enjoying a coffee together (like my Jewish friend, same name as me, Patricia, of some years ago) I’d say “Look Melanie. The Holocaust was awful. But, give it a rest. Move on.”
I’ll now go and await a visit from the Thought Police.
Patricia McKeever
Editor
Catholic Truth
http://www.catholictruthscotland.com -
Benedict on February 8, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Editor,
Allow me to congratulate you on that letter. Wonder piece of writing and she clearly deserves it. Well done, I wish I had your gift in letter writing!
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Athanasius on February 8, 2009 at 5:22 pm
editor
Fantastic and very clear letter. But does she want to hear the truth, does she care about perspective, justice, balance? I doubt it. Great clarification of the situation, though.
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Athanasius on February 8, 2009 at 8:29 pm
editor
I have sent a lengthy message to Melanie Phillips and directed her to the link you mentioned above. I did not realise at the time of writing to her that she is Jewish. What position will she take on matters, that of Orthodox Jewry or that of Zionist and liberal Jewery, on the matter in hand? I haven’t the foggiest, we’ll have to wait and see.
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Athanasius on February 8, 2009 at 11:00 pm
All,
I wrote earlier to Melanie Phillips. Here is a draft of my letter, her short response and my response to her response.
Dear Melanie,
I hope you will excuse my addressing you by your first name. It is a whole lot easier than guessing whether you are Ms. Miss or Mrs. Phillips.
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is (name). I am a computer engineer during the day and a Catholic writer (traditional, of course) the rest of the time, yes even into the wee small hours.
I have had a good many articles published over the past fifteen years or so in various secular and religious papers and was a columnist for some time with the American Catholic newspaper ‘The Remnant.’ So I know a little bit about writing articles and I take care always to write with objectivity for the sake of my own integrity.
Now it is no secret that Bishop Richard Williamson (SSPX) has expressed some strange ideas in his time, generally ludicrous, occasionally laughable. I am thinking here in particular of his reference to The Sound of Music as “potentially pornographic.” I still chuckle when I think of that one.
On this occasion, however, concerning his remarks about the Holocaust, laughter was the furthest thing from my mind and the minds of the majority with upright intention in the SSPX, clergy included. We were, frankly, horrified.
When such remarks are expressed, the more so by a bishop of the Catholic Church, it is only natural to expect those offended by them to demand redress. The Jews, after all, suffered a great ordeal at the hands of the Nazi’s.
This having been said, the reaction of the world’s media and other groups and individuals of note has been disproportionate, seeking not merely an apology and/or retraction from Bishop Williamson but rather the humiliation of a number of innocent parties within the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
Such a response is manifestly unjust, the more so because those who write about Bishop Williamson’s denial of the recorded facts of history commit precisely the same fault when commenting on Pope Pius XII. You, sad to say, have also been guilty of this.
I am something of an expert on the Pontificate of Pius XII. I have met in the Vatican with the Postulator of his cause for beatification and with the late Bishop Canisius van Lierde, who knew Pius very well and administered the Last Rites of the Church to him before his death in 1958.
I have also researched Jewish testimony regarding Pius XII, both that of his contemporaries and of modern-day Rabbi’s. Did you carry out such research before writing as you did? I fear not. If you really understood what manner of man Pius was you would be truly grieved by your careless and callous remarks.
Since Patricia McKeever has already sent you a link to one of my articles on Pius at http://www.catholictruthscotland.com, I will not labour the point. Anyway, I digress.
Are you aware that Bishop Williamson made his remarks about the Holocaust during an interview recorded in November last year? Would you think it conspiratorial on the part of those, myself included, who find it just a tad odd that these remarks were not aired until the eve of Pope Benedict’s lifting of the excommunications of the SSPX Bishops, some two months after the fact?
Also, why does the media claim that Bishop Williamson is anti-Semitic, for despite his denial of the gas chambers and his reduction of the numbers of Jews who perished overall, he was at pains during that interview to point out that he was not speaking from emotion (e.g., race hatred) but rather from intellectual conviction.
Now you claim in your article that the Bishop has made statements in the past to the effect that Jews are perpetually damned. I am aware of no such statements, which, if true, would be very odd indeed for an intellectual who knows the teaching of his Church, e.g., that the Jews will be converted en masse in the end times to the Catholic Faith. I would check my source on this if I were you.
At any rate, I will conclude here by restating that while Bishop Williamson was completely wrong and offensive in this matter of the Holocaust, a view he must change, I nevertheless believe that the global outrage expressed has been excessive and quite hypocritical given the many other tragedies we all know of from history.
If you are at all interested in what other Jews have to say about such manifestations of global outrage over real or perceived anti-Semitic events, then I would direct you to the following article I wrote recently for Catholic Truth. I blog under the name ‘Athanasius.’ http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/FEBRUARY%2009%20Bishop%20Williamson%20MARTIN%20BLACKSHAW%20WEB%20ARTICLE.pdf
Sincerely
Melanie’s quick response to this was:
I’m afrasid if you really can’t see that Bishop Williamson’s remarks are anti-Jew then you have rather shot yourself in both feet.
Melanie
My response to her was:
Well, I suppose taking my comments out of context releases you from the onerous prospect of having to apologise for your own offensive comments regarding Pius XII. Frankly, I did not really expect any other response.
I hope God is more merciful in His dealings with you and your media friends for your sins than any of you appear to be with Bishop Williamson and other, less culpable, Catholics who have been drawn into this controversy. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Wise words indeed. Much better than “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”
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editor on February 8, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Like Athanasius, I have had a curt response from Melanie Philips – see below with my response to her response below that!
In reply to my email above, Melanie Philips wrote:
If you can’t see — unlike Catholic commentators such as the editors of the Tablet or Catholic Herald — that Williamson’s views are totally beyond the pale, and condemn such condemnation instead as ‘anti-Catholic, then I’m afraid you really do have a problem.
I replied…
Excuse me, I did acknowledge that Bishop Williamson was out of order but the reaction of the world’s media is out of all proportion to his remarks. And the Tablet and the Catholic Herald are ANYTHING but Catholic (we’ve more than one thread devoted to them on our blog) – they are dissenting, pope-hating rags – especially the Tablet. Melanie, if you want to be informed on Catholic issues, you must learn to distinguish between rags like the Tablet and the rest of the “Catholic” press and traditional – i.e. REAL – Catholic sources such as ourselves.
And it is the misinformed who have the problem – on this occasion, your good self included.
End.
It is also, I’m afraid, the end of my good opinion about Melanie Philips. The absolute end!
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Athanasius on February 9, 2009 at 12:28 am
editor
It’s the Melanie Phillips of this world who give the noble art of journalism a bad name. They claim outrage on the one hand and then brazenly commit it on the other. So much for an unbiased British press.
Oh well, as Our Lord said “If the world hates you, know that it hated me first.” The Catholic Church will always be a target for false accusations.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 9, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Father Z has posted some of a Der Spiegel interview with Bishop Williamson:
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editor on February 9, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Thanks, Torkay. I posted a comment on Father Z’s blog. I thought he was very good in his coverage of that part of the interview posted.
Here’s the whole interview
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,606323,00.html
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Perpetua on February 10, 2009 at 2:17 am
Last month attended a lecture given by Bishop Williamson. The topic was the defects in VII and his argument was clear, well reasoned and documented.
Then came the questions from the audience. The questions took the bishop into speculation about various conspiracies, from the Kennedy Assasination to the 9/11. And yes, the holocaust. I groaned.
Nevertheless, I like this bishop. I think he’s wrong on the particulars of some of his speculations, but there is no guile in this man. I wish we could say the same for most of our American Bishops who actively obstruct justice at home and ignore the Pope while paying him lip service.
One detail about the holocuast does make me scratch my pointy head. Ninety percent of the murders occured between December 1944 and April 1945. This looks more like a demonic feeding frenzy than and the methodical gas chamber German assembly-line.
To me, the issue of greater import is that mass murder, whether by gas chamber, machette, or suction curettage continues unabated today. Modern man proves himself incapable of being humane.
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editor on February 10, 2009 at 11:06 am
Perpetua I absolutely agree with you. There is no malice or guile in Bp Williamson and he does not deny a single doctrine of the Faith unlike our faithless bishops.
And frankly, I fail to see why it is a crime to critique the Holocaust. If he’d questioned the Irish Famine, the Highland Clearances or any of the genocides in history other than the Holocaust, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
The attacks on Bp Williamson are a clear cover to attack the Faith and the Pope. What a pity so many ignorant Catholics have fallen for the trick.
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Tomas de Torkay on February 10, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Athanasius
I’ve finished reading Part I of “The Plot Against the Church” – extremely fascinating! I had a couple of questions and thoughts:
-First, doesn’t this book tend to confirm the “Protocols of Zion,” which is supposedly a hoax generated by the Czar’s police?
-Second, doesn’t it also tend to confirm the ranting of Adolf Hitler, who blamed Germany’s troubles on Jewish bankers?
-Finally, just some idle speculation: I wonder why Our Lady referred to this scourge as “the errors of Russia” at Fatima, when in fact they are the errors of the Synagogue of Satan, and not Russian at all in origin? Why not call them the errors of the Jews? -
editor on February 10, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Looks like things are moving forward with regard to the Bishop Fellay/Vatican talks.
Read this link, to which our crouchback alerted me earlier…
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
Wouldn’t it be great if some really good news broke tomorrow – on the Feast of Our Lady of Lourdes?
Our Lady – please?
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Athanasius on February 11, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Torkay
The Plot Against The Church is much more reliable than the Portocols of the Elders of Zion. It produces actuall sources and facts, so I tend to just stick with what can be proved.
Hitler talked about the Jews in Germany, but it was, according to that Jewish website, the Zionists who agitated against the Jews more than Hitler to begin with. His book, Mein Kampf contains quite a number of statements about Jewsih menace in Germany which originated from the pens of Zionists.
As regards Our Lady mentioning Russia, I think this was because Russia would spread Communism which, as we know, is a Zionist creation. Russia was the instrument of chastisement but this doesn’t mean that there would not be other instruments, tentacles, if you like, from the same monster.
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Michelangelo on March 9, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Damian T writes…
George , I couldn’t agree more. How Williamson would love to be the centre of serious criminal proceedings, instead of treated as a bad joke. Incidentally, it’s very important to remember that Williamson’s Holocaust denial is not monomania: he has nasty and crazy views on a whole range of subjects. He was utterly unfit to be made a bishop – a decision taken by the body you rightly characterise as a sect rather than by the Roman Catholic Church.
Nice to know he is so well informed
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