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It is truly dreadful to see the manner in which this supposedly Christian state, with an (albeit heretical) established church has been systematically stripped of all moral probity and had imposed these sinister faux ideals.
The reporting of that blasphemous outrage in Glasgow exemplified all that is perverted in modern ‘inclusive’ Britain. This article by Peter Hitchens detailing a disclosure by ‘New Labour apparatchik Andrew Neather’ of the underlying motives behind that junta is surly confirmation of the same:
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“What should we, as individuals, be doing? Participating in the political arena? Praying more? Joining a political party? Praying more? Standing for election as an independent? Praying more? Starting a brand new political party? Praying more? Lobbying politicians? Writing letters, articles (while we may)? Praying more?”
In mentioning politicians, we discussed at length the dearth of candidates standing for election who meet the basic necessary requirements of Catholic voters in the European Election thread.
For those in the Glasgow North East constituency, there is a clear opportunity to elect a politician who meets these ideals in the forthcoming by-election. David Kerr is a practicing Catholic of sound moral fibre who can be assured of standing up for the Church on all major issues if elected. I should add that this is without party prejudice, since I have never voted SNP. The voters in that constituency have the rare opportunity to return a true soldier of Christ to parliament, and without any fear of being coerced into compromise by power as did his fellow Opus Dei member Ruth Kelly in recent times.
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Crossraguel
I’ve met David Kerr on many occasions. He’s a nice guy and very likeable. But my problem is this: it was well documented on this website that David Kerr had said he wanted to keep his religion out of his campaign. Is this the mark of a ‘true Soldier of Christ’? We had an indepth look at the parties, thanks to your good self. The SNP are morally corrupt. Would a ‘true Soldier of Christ’ be a member of such a party?
Editor, I think the answer to the questions you pose is a mixture of prayer and action. I don’t necessarily mean entering the political arena, although I wouldn’t rule that out completely. No, I think acts of reparation, public campaigns, awareness raising and trying to rouse lukewarm Catholics to stand up for the true Faith is really what is needed. In short, what Catholic Truth has been doing these past ten years.
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Petrus,
We did indeed have an in-depth look at the parties earlier, for the European Election, and were soundly disappointed by the results. However that election under PR required party policy rather than an individual standing as in the Westminster constituency. If you recall the measure used was answers to five key points of Christian moral standing:
Abortion;
Civil Partnerships for same-sex couples;
Euthanasia;
Freedom of religion (particularly in terms of he European Union’s proposed directive to outlaw discrimination on grounds including sexual orientation and religion in the provision of goods and services; and
Stem Cell Research.Now I have absolute faith that David Kerr would be strong in upholding Church teaching on each of these issues, which renders the SNP ticket a bit of a red herring. In fact, though he has the party whip at Westminster, the SNP will be in perpetual opposition in that chamber therefore he will have the benefits of being like an Independent for his constituents without fear of actually having to compromise in power (like Ruth Kelly).
Angus MacNeil, the Catholic MP representing the Western Isles for the SNP, has consistently voted with conscience when the chips are down and we can be certain that David Kerr would do likewise if elected:
http://www.christian.org.uk/mpvotes.php?selection=&value1=401&submit1=SHOW&value2=1
Regarding his Petrine denial of Christ I say this: it is without doubt that David Kerr has been the victim of a scurrilous campaign of innuendo orchestrated by the Labour Party through its Pravdaesque mouthpieces the Glasgow Herald and Daily Record, when facing up to their abject failure of the people of Glasgow North East for 74 years. Their nudge/wink approach to Opus Dei and the subsequent overreaction from protestant Tories from a more sectarian motivation put him between a rock and a hardplace. But I haven’t heard the cock crow, indeed in the live TV debate on Thursday he expressly stated Catholic Church teaching on compassion as a factor in his support of the decision to release Megrahi. Now I don’t agree with that conclusion, however he was unafraid of stating this in clear terms that he looks to the authority and teaching of the Church.
In summary, a 5/5 candidate on moral issues of genuine importance is available to the people of Glasgow North East. You may still see shortcomings, but to return to the key points of our Euro Election thread, we could (not must) vote for him in clear conscience.
As editor asks ‘Standing for election as an independent? Praying more? Starting a brand new political party?’, if a Kerresque candidate was standing in my constituency I would be happy to vote for him in place of the 0/5 scoundrel incumbent. Would you really feel the need to oppose him in your constituency, if so are you looking to stand for election?
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Crossraguel
I didn’t realize David had referred to the Church’s teaching on compassion. I’m willing to be a bit more open minded. I grew up in Glasgow North East so I’m quite emotional about this by-election.
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I’m so sick and tired of these liberal-leaning parties, all of them, that if I vote at all it will be BNP.
I did have some faith in the SNP until I heard Salmond speaking about Europe. He wants to make Scotland independent from England and then immediately consign us to slavery under Brussels.
As regards BNP, they may say what they will about the racism in that Party but it stands openly and squarely behind a Christian Britain. It promises to punish the usurers (financial institutions), ban militant homosexuality and sex ed from schools, and bring in the death penalty (only with solid DNA evidence) for paedophiles and terrorists. That sounds good to me.
It’s about time we kicked these liberals out once and for all with their Godless laws, their persecution of Christians, their manufactured economic crisis, their tax raising myth of climate change, their sexualising of children, their political correctness, their promotion of sexual deviancy, etc. It’s no good having just one Christian in a Godless Party and expect him/her to be of any real benefit. No, we need a Party that says Britain is, and should be, Christian.
The BNP are saying just that and I don’t see where there is any longer an alternative for those of us living in fear of imprisonment under these Communists as a result of our Christian beliefs. This country is now well and truly Stalinist in its suppression of individual freedom and I’m well sick of it. It’s BNP for me next time.
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Britain is not Bolshevik, but a campaign to alter people’s psychology and create a new Homo britannicus is under way without even a fig leaf of disguise.
One wonders why this author goes to such great, disturbing and detailed lengths to demonstrate that, in fact, Britain IS Bolshevik – but denies his own proofs! Soft totalitarianism is a misnomer – it still requires police, courts and jails to enforce its demonic laws and rules. The same police, courts and jails that were used in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Soviet Bolshevik Russia.
No matter whether there are jack-booted thugs, brown shirts, dictators, Chairmen, Fuhrers, or bureaucrats, absolute power is their same goal – in modern times, with the additional or supporting goal of destroying all traces of the Christian religion and civilization.
To put it another way: the EU and Britain are actually a Fourth Reich. And America is not far behind.
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Editor asks what can be done about this. There are two different battles to be fought: the battle of our own little lives, and the battle against the demonic state. Those theatres do overlap, but:
The individual battle has to be characterized by fervent and unceasing prayer and the practise of Christian virtue, esp. in defense of the family. This will result in numerous types of martyrdom, from being socially ostracised and slandered to becoming unemployed to being jailed – and who knows, the way things are going, to being executed as well (oops – there goes the “soft” part!)
The battle against the demonic state, on the other hand, has to be conducted by the Church, since the Church is the only institution on earth who has power over evil. That means that we must do everything in our power to defend and restore the Church – and given the message of Fatima, that effort would seem to be primarily focused on getting the Consecration performed, and along with it, Tradition restored.
When the Church stops fumbling and frittering away the supernatural power at its disposal, and finds once again the will to act, then things will really get interesting.
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It’s good to see someone mentioning the BNP without being anathematised (yet?). I’m one ahead. In the European elections I read the statements of all the candidates and found moral principles in line with my faith only in those of the BNP candidates. Accodingly I voted BNP. If I had any doubts about it at all, then the BBC’s lynching of Nick Griffin dispelled them. It was this same BBC who, when I complained last year about Jimmy Tarbuck’s blasphemous ‘joke’ poem about the Virgin Birth, making out that Jesus was the illegitimate baby of David Blunkett, replied that this was nothing more than ‘gentle’ humour aimed at David Blunkett. No apology.
As for the Catholic Church in England and Scotland taking a lead against this vile, corrupt, politically-correct society – dream on! Just read the pages of the ‘Catholic’ papers with their wide and sycophantic coverage of the Archbishop of Westminster’s maunderings re ‘charity’.
Keep the devotion of the first Saturdays, and, if time allows, don’t let the BBC, ITV or the press away with any anti-Christian blasphemies without challenge.
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Torkay
Well said! I agree with every word!
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I’ve seen it all now. Supposedly decent Catholics suggesting that fascism is the only option open to us…I’ll be praying long and hard for all of you. The system we have isn’t perfect, many of the politicians we have are corrupt, misguided or just plain wrong about a lot of things and it may be an enormous effort to change all that, but (with apologies for an unusually apt reductio ad Hitlerum) a frustration over loss of sovereignty, an economic crisis and a general jadedness with politics as a whole is what led to the rise of the Nazis and the Italian fascists. Is that what you want?
If we can reject the whole work of, for example, the Labour Party (which has done plenty of good things as a government party) because of their shameful policies on abortion, how can we possibly ignore the BNP’s whole raison d’etre – the eradication of non-white people from our country – just because they hide behind a mask of “good Christian values”? We should instead be standing up and saying “the BNP is NOT a Christian party because they have no justice, no compassion, no mercy, no belief that we are all equal before God.” If you’re frustrated with a lack of options as things stand, get off you backside and stand as the kind of candidate you would vote for. You can’t be the only one who feels that way. DO NOT, under any circumstances, be so lazy as to cherry-pick one part of a demonic party’s manifesto and rationalise it by cherry-picking equally demonic policies from another party to criticise.
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Legion,
I’m inclined to agree with you about the BNP. I agree with a lot of what they say, but I can’t overlook their racism and I have nothing against immigration per se.
The Labour Party has done irreprable damage to this country. One of the problems of PR is that we are not voting for one particular candidate, but the party. Thankfully in the Westminster parliament we still vote for a candidate. For that reason alone, I’d probably vote for David Kerr if I lived in Glasgow East. For him to stand as an independent, or to form a minority party, would just make sure that he doesn’t have a hope of winning. And as it’s for Westminster, and as Crossraguel says the SNP will always be a minority there, there’s little risk of it resulting in Scotland separating from the UK.
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In saying that, I’ll vote BNP before I ever vote Labour again.
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Google “BNP” and “Catholics” and one finds:
A few days ago BNP legal director Lee Barnes published his fascist-Odinist interpretation of the newly released Batman movie, The Dark Knight, entitled ‘Batman and the Odinic Archetype’. Now, Odinism is a fictitious religion expounded by many fascists, such as Lee Barnes, as the spiritual means to revive the White race, corrupted and weakened by Christianity. (30/July/2008)
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/07/bnp-legal-director-lee-barnes-calls.html
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and also from: http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/08/bnp-claim-christianity-is-racist-anti.html
“But, several days ago, BNP legal director Lee Barnes published yet another rambling article attacking Christianity as responsible for the decline of the White race and Britain. In that article, Odin, Yggdrasil and the death of Christianity and Liberalism, BNP Lee Barnes condemns Christianity as a non-White religion responsible for all the ills of the White race:
“Christianity is a semitic religion, it is creature of the deserts of the Middle East not the forests of the Northern Europe and its symbol the cross is an instrument of torture not of living redemption.”
“the organic religion of the West was replaced with the theological dogma of the East. European Man at that moment became seperated from his roots, and the insane fratricidal wars that have destroyed the West in the name of the various christian cults began.”
“Christianity took power through violence in the West, and as it rotted away its shadow image of Liberalism unleashed through its toleration and promotion of evils such as Islamic extremism, crime, degeneracy and filth the same violence that once empowered christianity.”
“The religion of christianity that preached of peace conquered with war, blood and death. It had turned the natural, organic religions of Europe based on the symbolism of the tree, a living and growing symbol of perpetual life with the dead symbol of the cross – a symbol of horror, violence, torture, obedience and the brutality of Rome and the betrayal of the Jewish Pharisees.The symbolism of the cutting down of the tree of life is a symbol found throughout Europe wherever christianity killed its way to power.”
“Christianity despises the planet – and this is why we are facing the ecologicl crisis of today.” End of Mr Lee Barnes’ sermon on Odin
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Tomorrow’s Scottish Catholic Observer has done an excellent spread on the by-election, with front page coverage, an editorial and interviews with the two main candidates David Kerr (SNP) and Willie Bain (Labour).
The most telling and admirable aspect of this coverage is the headline highlighting ‘Catholic’ Bain’s ‘pro-life dilemma’ which amounts to not seeking a repeal of the 1967 Abortion Act but a reduction in time limits and commentary that he has ‘fallen short on full commitment on a key issue of concern to Catholics’.
Providing this information to voters leaves a straightforward decision and I’d say the content and editorial is as explicit guidance as we dare hope will be given.
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Benet
Thanks for posting those links to Lee Barnes’ articles. Well, I guess that rules out the BNP!
It seems clear to me that Nick Griffin is a liar when he speaks in favour of a Christian Britain. It’s a ruse to get Christians to vote for his Party. They really are just a reincarnation of Nazism and I think we can live without a repeat of that.
Actually, I hadn’t really researched this Party before stating in favour of it. I listened to Nick Griffin on Question Time a few weeks ago and he seemed to be genuinely in favour of restoring Christianity to the country. I suppose the lesson here is never to take any politician at face value.
The clear option now is not to vote at all. I would rather perish than vote Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem, all of which Parties are thouroughly Godless and Communist. The bottom line is that we have to pray harder and hope that those 12 million rosaries bring the divine assistance now neccessary to restore true peace, prosperity and morality to the nations of Europe.
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A good solution would be to restore an Absolute Monarchy and do away with that stupid parliament. Democracy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
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Benet,
I had no idea that the BNP has a member who is openly supporting odinist beliefs. I’ve had concerns for some time about the pagan roots of fascism.
Those who hold odinist (or woton) beliefs usually also hold aryan beliefs of racial superiority, but they often have differing views on many things. For instance, some odinists don’t have a problem with Muslims, because they believe that people who have a middle-eastern heritage are true semites, and therefore they are fellow aryans. For these nutty people, one of the most important goals is maintaining the aryan race, or races. Being truthful is not their primary goal, and they will pretend to be honest in order to get what they want.There are varying forms of Christian aryanism and pagan aryanism. Some, though certainly not all, Christian aryanists to believe that Jesus was an aryan, and that the Jews of today are not aryan, (because they supposedly are not semitic, even though they claim to be).
And then there’s the two-seedline theory that some Christian aryans have (especially here in the US), which holds that today’s Jews are descended from Cain, who was the son of Eve and Satan (that Eve was seduced in the garden of Eden by Satan).
There’s a lot more to all of these crazy beliefs, but what gives me hope is that there is no unified belief among these nutters, and they have difficulty agreeing on anything. But still, they are very good at deception.
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Dear Theneva,
Thank you for explaining the link between “Odinism” and aryan beliefs.
It is clear that Mr Lee Barnes has no time for what he calls the “dead symbol of the cross – a symbol of horror, violence, torture, obedience and the brutality of Rome and the betrayal of the Jewish Pharisees”.
In the words of Crux Fidelis – Liturgy of Good Friday:
1. Faithful cross, noblest of all trees,
No forest ever produced your like in leaf, in flower, in seed.
Sweet wood to hold sweet nails and bear sweet weight.3. You alone have been worthy to bear the world’s sacrifice
and anointed with holy blood, shed from the body of the Lamb,
Like the ark to furnish a harbour for a shipwrecked world.**Mr Barnes’ description may be literally true but it shows he does
not see how the Cross is the means of our Redemption –
Like the ark to furnish a harbour for a shipwrecked world.**I also believe the BNP is and its predecessor the National Front was
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Any time I think of the BNP courting Christians, I remind myself that they wouldn’t have had the dark-skinned, Semitic Christ as a member. Given that He spent time as a refugee too, they’d probably have hated Him all the more.
Other countries in Europe have Christian parties. In Germany, for example, the Christian Democrats are one of the biggest groups. Of course, you may disagree with just how “Christian” they really are, but I wonder why no such party has emerged here. Perhaps it’s because, since we have an established religion, Her Majesty’s loyal servants are all assumed to be Christian anyway. I see no good reason, though, that even a fairly small group of committed Catholics couldn’t form a group that could challenge for a seat or two in the Scottish Parliament. Within Glasgow at least, the list system would likely enable at least one to get elected. It’s not much, but it would be a start.
Petrus – absolute monarchy is a great idea in principle. Given the state of our royal family, I’m not remotely convinced it’s a good idea for us!
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Benet,
I think you’re right about Mr. Barnes not seeing that the Cross is the means for our redemption.
His false religion teaches that Odin (his fictional god) sacrificed himself by hanging on a tree for 9 days, after which he fell down, screaming, but then gained “Knowledge.” It’s similar to gnosticism in that way, in that “knowledge” is what is supposed to be of supreme importance in life. I found his website today, and there’s references to gnosticism; no surprise there.You mentioned that you believe that the NF was closely aligned with Loyalists in Ulster. Weren’t the Loyalists Protestants? I don’t remember, exactly.
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I’m late for my Saturday night pubbing and clubbing so write in haste, firstly to say that I, too, was appalled at the treatment of Nick Griffin on Question Time and phoned the BBC to say that I knew very little about them, would check out their website (won’t bother now, having read the above) but would most certainly NOT be voting for any of the three main parties following their bullying tactics during that “discussion”. Oh and I took notice, too, of the manifest failure of the policy of respecting all beliefs, all shades of opinion, as taught in RE lessons up and down the lands that make up the UK. What a joke! Such a nasty panel and audience, I haven’t witnessed in a long time.
However, the real reason I’m on here before heading for the pubs and clubs, is that I had an email a few days ago from a gentleman in Glasgow, sick to the back teeth of the moral and religious vacuum in politics today and wondering what we can do about it. I’ve been mulling over his email ever since and after reading the posts here, this is my idea…
After the February homeschoolers meeting, would there be any mileage in Catholic Truth hosting a meeting to discuss issues of politics and faith, politics and morality?
Perhaps, who knows, some kind of initiative might spring from such a gathering but, allow me to emphasise, like the homeschoolers’ meeting, the politics meeting would be hosted by Catholic Truth but the team are dedicated to sorting out the Church – the rest of you would have to take over any new initiative that springs from the meeting. I have absolutely no ambition to be Prime Minister or Prime Ministeress. Of course, if you insist… (only kidding!)
Let me know if you are interested in such a gathering – we’ll book the hall, provide the tea and oversee developments with keen interest! I’m thinking around April, if at all.
Over to thee!
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Technical problems with my internet connection have kept me off the blog over the past couple of days, but how delighted I was to come back and find that the Editor had begun this thread on the threat to freedom of speech in the U.K.
Few realise it, but the approvation of the Lisbon Treaty sounds a death knell for democracy in this country and throughout Europe. From now on the main decisions will be taken in secret by grey men in suits who have been elected by no-one and who are accountable to no-one. It is, in short, a masonic conspiracy to limit the freedom of people, including their religious freedom. Make no mistake about it, this conspiracy will move, very gradually at first, against the Church which is its most potent threat.
I see the battle lines already being drawn, with Europe a theatre for civil unrest in future decases as people struggle against their masters.
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Re-reading some of the comments on this thread it strikes me that it is the British themselves who are at the heart of the problem. Democracy will only resist the fall into elected tyranny for as long as individual consciences are alive and well.
In Britain, thanks to the prevailing relativism for which Anglicans and other Protestants must shoulder a lot of the blame, consciences are well and truly up the swanny.
As long as your average Brit has some money in his pocket and ready access to alcohol, football and sex, anything goes as long as it doesn’t disturb his slumbers.
What a cess pit of a country!
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Editor – sounds like a good idea. At least a few weeks before the general election sounds like a good time to hold such a meeting as well.
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Thanks, Legion. So far, every comment on this subject (of a possible meeting) has been positive. I’m referring to verbal communications – so far yours is the only posted comment, but there’s more to come, unless I’m very much mistaken!
catholicus presbyter, I agree with you about the importance of conscience in this. It is because people are so passive that the evil around us is being allowed free rein. Perhaps our proposed meeting might be the beginning of the resistance movement. The emailer I mentioned above mentioned two key areas of concern. The rise of militant homosexuality and Islam – two subjects about which we are increasingly not allowed to voice criticism or concern. Indeed, the EU plan to outlaw criticism of both homosexuality and Islam in the not too far distant future. If we don’t act now, we can’t complain later.
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I’d be wary about the “criticism of Islam” thing. If anything, I would imagine that would fall under a general protection for all religions, in which case we may have to fight alongside the imams on that particular issue. To be fair, Muslims are also our only solid allies on homosexuality and abortion too, so we have to pick our battles (and our allies) pretty carefully.
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Editor,
If you did organise such a meeting, you would be at least fulfilling your prophetical duty (unlike the Scottish hieararchy who have failed time and time again to hold Catholic politicians to account).
I cannot stress enough that the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty (or the European Constitution by another name) marks a watershed for the Church throughout Europe. I wonder how many bloggers noticed what happened in Italy at the beginning of the week when a European Court ruled that crucifixes may not be displayed in public places because they are upsetting to children! Of course the Italian government will appeal and may even win the appeal, but the damage in cultural terms in enormous. (Note that the Court was ruling on an action brought by a mother who wishes her children to be raised in fidelity to the values of secularism!)
New Labour, with Tony Bliar and Gordon Brown at its head, have an awful lot to answer for. They promised this country a referendum only to break that promise because they knew they could never win it.
I may be pessimistic, but I foresee a bleak future for Europe and her Christians. It will be an utterly soulless place in which nothing will be allowed to get in the way of a secularist agenda which will put economic considerations first and foremost.
God help us! The brave new world is already here.
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Legion, it seems you haven’t noticed that Islam is quite safe and secure from all criticism – they have no need of allies, least of all Christians. Just ask the owner of the guest house who was arrested recently for having a robust discussion about religion in which she criticised Islam in her own home, around her own breakfast table, if criticising Islam is not PC. The Mulsim guest who participated in the discussion took offence, so what’s the instinctive thing one does when one is offended by any criticism of one’s religion? Oh yes, lodge a complaint with the police. So, I’m sorry, Legion, but I do not share your optimistic view – criticism of Islam, like homosexuality, is definitelly off-limits in this “liberal” world of ours and may soon be very dangerous to your freedom.
catholicus presbyter has got it right: Europe will be a bleak place for Christians in the not too far distant future. And I doubt if our Muslim friends will be rushing to our defence, although, as ever, I will be pleased to be proved wrong.
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Editor – I just think you’re unreasonably pessimistic. There’s plenty of anti-Islamic comment in various newspapers as well as the occasional bit on TV and the radio. Some of it is in pretty bad taste, too. I think you’re just hyper-sensitive to the efforts made by the media to show that not all Muslims are terrorists (which is entirely fair and is essential if we’re to avoid an all-out race war) because you feel that Catholicism doesn’t get quite the same protection.
I’d love to hear more about the case you mention. When you say “arrested” – well, that seems almost impossible to believe. You can’t arrest someone without reasonable cause, and I can’t imagine what the charge could be unless it what the person said was pretty extreme and involved some kind of threat or some kind of racial offence (neither of which you would condone, I hope). The police have to investigate complaints and no doubt wanted to talk to the people involved to suss it out, but unless there was something serious said, I’d imagine it will go no further. You can’t say that Islam gets special protection just because someone made a complaint.
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Just because Islam follows much of the natural law does not make it our natural ally. They allow divorce, contraception and abortion in certain circumstances, and some Islamic scholars argue that homosexual “love” is acceptable and natural, pointing to many homoerotic verses in the Koran. Why is it that in our secular society, where no criticism of homosexuality is tolerated, Moslems are allowed to practice unmolested? Their religion is not targetted the way ours is by the liberal elite, and is given a protection no-one else is given. Satan doesn’t have to do much for an idolatrous religion.
Islam and “the West” (ie, the Masonic West) are at loggerheads just now. But to quote one of my favourite authors, they hate us more than they hate each other. It’s just a case of our enemies fighting amongst themselves. Christians in Islamic countries are treated like scum, and always have been. If Britain were to slide into Islam, it would make life no easier for us.
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Sorry, Legion. I got it wrong. The couple were not just arrested but charged as well… here’s just a couple of links (just about every newspaper reported it at the time.
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/09/uktwo-christians-arrested-for-offending.html
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