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It is fitting that we draw the life of this blog to a close with a thread devoted to the Feast of Saints Peter & Paul. Thus, we can reflect on the office of Pope and our Catholic love of  the papacy. Click here to recall  the discussion we had on that topic last year on this very day.

We might  also reflect on the importance of the priesthood, since today is traditionally “ordination day” for so many new priests. Quite shockingly, this week’s Tablet includes a leaflet promoting women’s ordination. To think that this will be read by Catholics up and down the land, some of whom will be tempted to tick the boxes to sign up for more information and even send financial donations to bankroll this heresy. Remember, because it is sold in Catholic churches and bookshops, the majority of laity will think this is OK – we’re all entitled to our opinions, aren’t we?  So, talk about the fact that women’s ordination is never going to happen. The Church’s teaching is final on that matter.

And discuss, too, the nature and extent of papal authority – something about which most Catholics are in the dark.

However, really, since we’re closing down at midnight – 30 June – feel free to post more or less anything!  Especially, something to make us smile!

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UPDATE – 10 March, 2010

Happy Feast of St John Ogilvie!

In honour of this feast day – because although Scots by birth, John Ogilvie was, essentially, a missionary working to convert Scotland back to the Faith at the time of the Reformation – take a look at an RTE 2-part documentary, ‘On God’s Mission’, sent to me by an Irish reader on the subject of the Irish missionaries. Click here to view videos.

The films are only available until 23rd March, so I would encourage you all to view them asap. Bob Geldoff is insufferably negative about the Church as usual, but he only appears in the first film.  These  two films provide a very interesting insight into the work of the faithful Irish missionaries who did so much to spread the Faith – and an insight into the materialistic minds on the film, who actually attribute very worldly motives to these same priests, brothers and nuns.

Unlike modern clerics, those great missionaries were not focused on themselves and the sacrifices they’d made in order to be priests and religious.  They focused on saving souls.  Watch the films, then read the interview on celibacy below and ask yourself, which clergy and religious are more likely to be happy, holy souls.  The “do away with celibacy” brigade or the Irish missionary mentality?

St John Ogilvie, pray for us!

Interview With Psychiatrist and Professor

By Carmen Elena Villa

ROME, MARCH 8, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Priestly celibacy is not psychologically dangerous, and in fact, sexual behavior based on “anything goes” is what is truly destructive to the personality.

This is the affirmation made by Dr. Aquilino Polaino Lorente, a physician and psychiatrist who teaches courses on psychopathology at the University of St. Paul in Madrid. Click here to read more

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One of our long-time readers, an ex-pat Scot living in England, defends his role as Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion.   He argues:  ”I am caught between the devil and the deep blue sea” (because he doesn’t really like this “ministry” being on offer but he says the priests don’t take Communion to the sick etc) and adds (and anyway) the Church does allow `extraordinary ministers`.

Here’s a link to our previous discussion on Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.
http://www.catholictruthscotland
.com/blog/?p=330

This reader concluded our email exchange by throwing out the following challenge, which I’ve taken as the title of this thread:  “give me one good reason why I should NOT be an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion – don’t just say ‘it’s not right’ – tell me WHY it’s not right…”

Click on ‘comments’ with YOUR best reason – praying that this will be the one to make our well-meaning reader give up this liturgical abuse dressed up as a “ministry” – without delay.   Over to you, folks!

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Below is a homily delivered by Deacon Patrick Taylor of Portsmouth Diocese on the Feast of Corpus Christi, 2009.  Not content with having heresy preached at Mass, the Deacon’s homilies are made available as reflection material for the poor parishioners to imbibe during  the week.  Read it and then click on ‘comments’ with your views. 

Note: A brief commentary  from the Portsmouth layman who sent us a copy of this heresy,  follows the homily. 

H O M I L Y . . .

In the Eucharist we share in a communal meal and are strengthened as one in our commmitment to Christ and to one another as well as to Christ’s mission in the Church. Now the death and resurrection of Jesus cannot be repeated or added to.   The Eucharist is not a repetition or addition but a Memorial – which in Jewish tradition means making present again, a re-enactment, of some saving deed of God.  Just think:  when we come together at the Mass we are taken back into the3 Upper Room to share in the Last Supper as though there has been no passageof time.  We should not be thinking about a dead past but an enduring present.

When we receive the Eucharist we must always remember it is the glorified Lord who is made present and not the earthly physical body of Christ.  This will always remain a mystery because we simply do not know what the quality or reality of the glorified body is of whichSt Paul speaks.  Theologians have disagreed for years on this subject.

What I have found helpful to reflect on is the fact that the word “body” stands in Hebrew for person and that the word “blood” means life, since this is what blood stood for in the Semitic mind.  Thus we need not bother too much about macabre and rather materialistic details.  When Christ said “This is my body, this is my blood”, he implied “I am really present in this bread and wine as a person, and I am fully alive”.  This has allowed me to respond fully to  Christ’s intent of being present in the Eucharist.

We need to note that from the earliest times the Eucharistic prayer – with the words of institution – always referred to the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus as present in the Eucharist, and therefore all are present in the bread and wine because all are included in the glorified body and blood of Christ.

Now when we think of the Mass we must always remember that it is a meal but we also have to take into account that it is a sacrificial meal. We are with Christ at the Last Supper but also with him at the cross and his resurrection. 

When we think of a meal we recall how we listen and communicate.  At the Mass we listen to the Word of God, we speak when we pray.  At the Last Supper Jesus spoke and at one point gave us the final revelation of the Father “I have made known to you all that my Father has told me; and so I h ave called you my friends”

Sometimes we also ‘offer’ during a meal. Out of friendship, and to express that friendship, guests bring gifts.  We do not come with empty hands. Hosts offer an inviting table, laid with the best they  have.  At the Mass the table is very inviting because the bread and wine we share in take us into the body of Christ.  And we come with our gifts of bread and wine which we offer to the Lord as well as our lives in the service of his name.  Think then of the reciprocal love of the ord when he gives himself back to us in the transformed gifts of bread and wine.

The Eucharist is the means whereby we are all united in communion with each other.  

Let me now give you a few matters to concentrate on:-

(a) the actual words of consecration are when the Priest asks that the Holy Spirit blesses and sanctifies the gifts so that they m ay become the body and blood of Christ.  It is not when the Priest says the words ot eh Last Supper “Take this and eat it this is my body”.  These are the words of distribution.

Father Bernard Haring the great Priest Theologian said “It is not we priests that consecrate, such that what was bread becomes the presence of christ.  This mystery takes place on the occasion of the epiklesis (by the power of the Holy Spirit)

Since the Spirit consecrates within the community, if one person presides at the Eucharist, it is simply as the community’s representative, not as Christ’s.

It is interesting that Augustine spoke of the faithful as the stuff that is transformed by the Eucharist.  He never mentions (any more than the New Testament did, or Ignatius did) the power of the priest to consecrate.  He said it is the faithful recipients who make the body of Christ present by becoming it.   Over and over again Augustine places the validity of the Sacrament of the recipient’s unity with God and each other, not in any preceding words of magic.

(b)  It is also interesting that Augustine rejects the idea that teeth and chewing and swallowing makes one receive the body and blood of Christ.   Augustijne says that we cannot take Christ into us.  “The symbol is received, it is eaten, it disappears – but can Christ’s body disappear, Christ’s Church disappear?  Far from it.  We must be taken into Christ’s body, not he to ours.   END.

COMMENTARY FROM LAYMAN, PORTSMOUTH DIOCESE…

Pat Taylor was probably one of the first lay Deacons appointed in the 70`s by Bishop Worlock.  He is now much older but no wiser.   The Community Centred approach to the Eucharist triumphs the Christ centred approach in most First Holy Communion Programmes throughout Britain.  Children are taught neither to love or adore Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.  Nobody seems to have noticed this.   Paul Inwood first came out with this idea that the bread and wine change when the Holy Spirit is invoked not at the words of the priest  “This is my Body…”  or “Hoc est enim Corpus….”   It is part of an ongoing attack on the priesthood.   All (Deacon) Pat says comes from the Diocese not himself.   The idea that the priest acts `in persona christi` is not believed by most priests in our diocese, according to Fr Grufferty, after a survey on this matter by Vicki Stephens our religious education supremo.  Hernce the priest acts for the community and not Christ.   As you may know Bishop Hollis is trying to do away with priests and this is the underlying teaching that will come to the fore.   It is all so awful.   It really needs airing. .  I will inform the parish (that it is to appear on the CT blog).   Unfortunately the Parish Priest of ST Joseph’s, Basingstoke is Fr Mark Hogan.  I believe his is orthodox but is keeping his head down.  Irrespective, this diabolical plot against the Church must be brought to light.  END

Well – does Fr Mark Hogan PP have any right to keep his head down while this Deacon preaches heresy to his congregation?  I say “no way!”   What do you say?  Click on ‘comments’ with your views, now.

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What can we expect when winter sets in?  

http://www.catholic

herald.co.uk/articles

/a0000576.shtml

Click on ‘comments’ to share your thoughts on why we are so short of priests in this “springtime of Vatican II” and don’t forget to tell us how we can put it right.  We know what traditional Mass-going Catholics think – what do the rest of you think?    Is there any other way, apart from a full restoration of the Church’s teaching and liturgy?  No more “Cafeteira Catholicism”?  Enlighten us, please!

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Four priests from the Archdiocese of Birmingham completed a tandem parachute jump from 13,000 feet with the British Parachute School at Langar, Nottingham… to raise funds for sick, retired and infirm clergy of the Archdiocese of Birmingham…Fr Paul Moss:“… I have a private pilot’s licence and the whole experience has made me want to renew my licence and get flying again. Jumping out of an aeroplane from 13,000 feet is definitely a leap of faith.”
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/life/cl0000291.shtml

Now, compare this fun, fun, fundraising activity with the life of the patron saint of priests, the Cure D’Ars, St John Vianney, who fasted and did penance to win graces for his parishioners.  http://olrl.org/lives/vianney.shtml 

Clearly, St John Vianney had an entirely different vision of what the priesthood is all about from these (insert adjective) Birmingham clerics.

The question at the heart of this thread, then, as we enter the Month of Mary, is this:  what on EARTH has gone wrong with the recruitment and training of priests in our times, that we have such shallow men, with apparently no conception of what it means to be a priest.  They are not intended to be fundraisers, let alone indulge in such hair-raising exploits – are they?  Is that what the priesthood has become: nothing more than one more outlet for fundraising?   Coming hot on the heels of the Spiderman debacle, where we had the Archdiocese of Glasgow proposing Spiderman as a good role model for recruiting vocations, this latest stunt is really making the clergy into a laughing stock.   Or maybe you don’t think so?    Whatever, I’m sure we all agree we ought to pray very hard to Our  Lady in her special month, for her priests.  Make no mistake about it, priestly souls are at great risk today.  Our Lady of Fatima, pray for priests!

Click on ‘comments’ to share your thoughts.

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FOR decades he has championed the cause of the weak and helpless and struck fear into the hearts of the wicked as he swings between the towering skyscrapers of New York City.  But now the Catholic Church in Scotland has made the amazing claim that Spider-Man is an emissary of an even higher power. They claim the superhero’s story has strong parallels with the gospel and that his selfless sacrifices and struggle against evil can even be compared to the life of Jesus.

As part of the annual Lentfest, run by the Archdiocese of Glasgow, children from Catholic schools were offered the chance to watch a special showing of the Hollywood adaptation of Spider-Man starring Tobey Maguire.

The screening entitled “Search For The Hero” described the big-budget blockbuster as a “parable for our times” and organisers hoped the web-slinger’s travails would inspire youngsters to consider joining the priesthood or becoming nuns…  Terry Sanderson of the National Secular Society was amused by the attempts by the Catholic Church to claim Spider-Man, and asserted that another group had already staked a claim on him.  He said: “The gay community already regard Spider-Man as an icon and with tights as tight as that how could it be otherwise?   “I’m not sure if the Archdiocese had thought of that when it promoted Spider-Man to Catholic superhero.”   (Ed: that’s the problem: the Archdiocese of Glasgow doesn’t do “thought”) http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/St-Peter-Parker-holds-key.5164284.jp    

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I attended the Chrism Mass in St Andrew’s Cathedral, Glasgow this morning.   One of the saddest experiences of my life.   On entering the cathedral I was pleasantly  surprised to see a packed but silent congregation.  So unusual in the world of the Novus Ordo.  It turned out to be a massive opportunity missed.

A flick through the programme indicated that it was “business as usual”, with the emphasis on the temporal order.  Whether it’s the Incarnation or the institution of the Mass and the priesthood, the message is the same: Jesus wants us to help the poor.  End of. 

Listen, she said, as an aside: when the bishops give up their nice homes and move into a house in the nearest run down area, I’ll take these homilies seriously.  Not before.

Astonishingly, Archbishop Conti’s sermon focused on just about anything and everything except the Mass and the priesthood – both of which the Church expects to be at the forefront of our minds on Holy Thursday, that being the day on which they were both instituted by Christ.   The Archbishop might have taught/reminded that very attentive congregation about the essentials of the priesthood (including celibacy – argue not) and perhaps grasped the nettle to explain that women will never be ordained priests in the Catholic Church (which would, surely, have caught the attention of the bunch of girls dressed as altar boys, who absolutely failed to grace the sanctuary)  and he might have reminded us all of the fact that nothing and no-one can replace the priest – he might have, but he didn’t. 

Instead the Archbishop spoke about the so-called ”social gospel” and the “environment”.  Give me strength.

And how sad to see all those priests distributing Communion in the hand, to communicants standing.  I decided to pass.  Click on the link below to read an excellent article on the emasculated priesthood – and then, please, in your holy hour this evening, storm heaven for graces for priests  – great graces of light and insight into the truths of the Faith, sufficient to make them turn to the Traditional Faith and be done with the real poverty facing them:  the impoverishment that IS the Catholic Church in Scotland and, indeed, the wider UK.  Pray that they will turn away from the new Mass, new rosary, new everything and back to the authentic Catholic Faith.  St John Vianney, patron saint of priests, pray for them… 

http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_emasculation.html

NOTE: COMMENTS ARE CLOSED DURING HOLY WEEK, BUT THIS THREAD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS WHEN WE REOPEN ON EASTER SUNDAY.

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Just about everyone argues that celibacy is a discipline of the Church, which might change.  Yet there is something in us that knows this is not right. Perhaps that’s why the ‘liberals’ get so worked up about the matter.  

In my own case, I have argued, consistently, that while is may be true that the Church could dispense with this discipline, the attack on the priesthood in our own times will lead to a “firming up” of the teaching on celibacy because if, as we have always believed, priests are celibate because Christ was celibate in order to be an alter Christus (‘another Christ)’ in the world, then celibacy has to be more than a mere changeable Church discipline.  

I have always believed that celibacy was an integral part of the priesthood and have said so many times when discussing the issue, especially with priests.  Cardinal Newman,  even in his Anglican days, believed the same and he said that he instinctively took it for granted that he would have to be celibate in his priesthood.  This confirmed my own belief that celibacy is not a changeable discipline but an essential part of the Catholic priesthood.

If you click on the link to follow, you’ll find that I was wrong and I was right. I was wrong to accept the thesis that celibacy is merely a Church discipline but I was correct in my instinct that this couldn’t be right, if you follow my drift.  My instinctive belief that celibacy is an integral part of the priesthood is vindicated by the solid facts found in the article below.  Read it and tell us your thoughts. 

As a result of the diabolical attacks on priestly celibacy in our times, will the Church (perhaps at Vatican III) add to the pronouncements already found in the article below, to remind us all that priests must be celibate?  Makes absolute sense, doesn’t it?  The ‘liberals’ will hate it, won’t they?   Bingo!  

Click on ‘comments’ now to express your view.

http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/celibacy_for_deacons.htm

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Presumably, you’ve read the article linked on the Catholic Truth homepage about the psychological screening of candidates for the priesthood.  In fact, psychological screening is not all that new and is currently in place in many, if not most, seminaries.

Recently, I was asked if there have been any priests raised to sanctity through the novus ordo Mass and canonised and I couldn’t think of one.  I could think of two who have been canonised in our times who refused to say the novus ordo Mass – a fact not widely known among the pew Catholics of Scotland. Nor is it widely known that Padre Pio said to Cardinal Bacci, who brought the permission for him to continue to offer the traditional Mass:  ‘For pity’s sake, end the Council quickly.’”

Anyway, read about these two contemporary priest-saints for yourself and then tell us your answer to the key question on this thread:  what kind of priests do we want in the future?  More of the same old, same old ”with it” types who don’t know a sin from a snowball or priests with eyes fixed firmly on the things of Heaven?   Not that we want priests who are so Heavenly minded they’re no earthly use, but you’ll know what I mean.  I’d like systems to be put in place to produce sound priests who love Christ and His Church and want to pass on that love of Christ and His teaching.  Is that what you want, too?

If you’re a priest, tell us if the “old model” of priesthood is past its sell-by date.   That’s certainly what the Rector of Scotus Seminary in Glasgow thinks – or he did when he was Vice-Rector  (see Catholic Truth report Seminary Vice-Rector undermines the Mass and Priesthood, Issue No. 21, September 2002).    

Does the priest have to “relate” to people “where they are” (and leave them there) and must he teach that morality is evolving into being more the way we’d like it to be – pick ‘n mix… relative to our personal circumstances?  Or is it the timeless work of the priest to preach Christ and Him crucified – a truth to be applied by each one of us in our own personal circumstances as we strive to obey the objective moral order, ordained by God and entrusted to the Church to guard and proclaim? 

Click on the link that follows and then click on comments to have your say.   We’re keen to know what kind of priests you think the Church needs in the future.   More Basil Loftus types or another Padre Pio? 

http://cornell-catholic-circle.blogspot.com/2005/11/what-st-padre-pio-liked-and-what-we.html

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