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Pioneers of Traditionalism used to remark that God will not be mocked for long. They were right, of course, and are being proven so every day now. In a matter of months we have seen the mighty Spirit of Vatican II fundamentally exposed, the canonization of John Paul ‘the Great’ stall, the Traditional Mass come storming back, and the Holy Father obviously deliberating over when to leap from the leaky lifeboat of progressivism back onto the barge of holy Tradition.

Michael Davies used to say that the New Mass would simply consume itself over time, having nothing inherent apart from novelty to sustain it . That doesn’t seem so far fetched any more, especially since our Modernist friends, having grown as passé as hippies, their liturgy as stale as a bowl of Digger Stew, seem to have run out of new ideas.

This point was made recently in Dr. Robert Moynihan’s excellent report on the historic traditional Mass at the National Shrine in Washington, D.C. In an article entitled “Solemn Latin Mass in Washington stirs change in Catholic liturgy,” the editor of Inside the Vatican writes:

But at least one Vatican official I talked to, also in the past month, told me he believes the future is solely and exclusively in a return to the old rite. “The old rite is our past, and it will be our future,” he told me. “The new Mass is a passing phase. In 50 years, that will be entirely clear.”

Whatever the case may be, one thing is certain: The Church finds herself at historic crossroads at this moment. Contrary to media claims, Pope Benedict is not yet a traditionalist per se (though the yapping media jackals seem to be backing him rapidly into that corner), but serious Catholics know full well that the attempted lynching of our Holy Father is part of a global initiative to criminalize the traditional Catholicism he now represents, at least in the eyes of a world that understands few of the distinctions involved. Click here to read more

This thread is not meant to be a means of annoying modern Catholics who are happy with the new Mass.  Allow me to say, in passing, that it is a matter of immense puzzlement to many of us that any Catholic can be satisfied with a Mass that was concocted by a priest/archbishop discovered to be a Freemason, actively supported by six Protestant ministers, the express aim being to remove anything and everything that is an obstacle to our separated brothers and sisters in various Protestant communities. In any event, this thread is not about “the Mass” per se, but about the overall state of the Church which now finds itself the focus of almost unceasing and unfriendly (to say the least) media attention following the child/young person abuse scandals.  I think we can all agree, surely, that the Church is, indeed, at a crossroads, and a crossroads always presents us with a choice to be made.

We can continue on the same road, despite all the signposts along the way to indicate we’ve got it wrong. We can take another dodgy turn, unsure of whether or not it will take us to our destination.  Or we can go back to where we started out, and take a fresh look at the whole journey.   Tell us your thoughts – click on ‘comments’ now. 

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 (Posted 2/18/09  In this exclusive interview for The Remnant since the lifting of the excommunications of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), General Superior Bishop Bernard Fellay emphasizes that the path forward would be determined by what he expects to be extensive but, hopefully fruitful, theological discussions on the documents of the Second Vatican Council.

Read more by clicking on the link below

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2009-mershon-interview-fellay.htm

Tell us if you agree with Bishop Fellay – will the forthcoming discussions on the documents of the Second Vatican Council be “fruitful”?  

We look forward to hearing your thoughts on this very illuminating interview – right now!

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Top Scots columnist, Gerald Warner uses his masterful pen to dissect the notion of celebrating 50 years of the “auto-destruction” of the Church, to use Pope Paul VI’s description of the “renewal” which followed Vatican II.  Citing facts and figures, Gerald writes:

“To describe this unprecedented collapse of the Church as “renewal” is insane; to attribute it to the operation of the Holy Ghost is blasphemous. The Catholic Church is in the same position as an alcoholic: until it admits to the problem, no cure is possible. The problem is Vatican II.”

Gerald’s article is packed with facts and figures and is, at once, hard-hitting and entertaining; for example, remarking on the furious reaction of the ‘liberals’ to the news that the Pope had repealed the SSPX excommunications, Gerald notes: “The staff of The Tablet are rumoured to be on suicide watch…”  

Brilliant!  

Read the whole article by clicking on the link below

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2009/01/27/fifty_years_on_time_to_revisit_and_reform_the_second_vatican_catastrophe

Now tell us what you think.  IS Vatican II the problem?  Is it now time for a complete review of the Council?  What do you think of the following suggestion, offered at the conclusion of Gerald’s excellent article:

“The only remotely celebratory response to the Council’s 50th anniversary would be to appoint a commission of orthodox theologians to scrutinise all of Vatican II’s documents and correct their errors. It is time to revisit and reform this council that has brought forth such poisonous fruits.”

Click on ‘comments’ to express your view, as soon as you can.

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